Misleading benchmarks from Sun

Performance, Silicon Graphics News

I suppose I should be resigned to the whole benchmark silliness, where vendors highly tune their own systems and then run favourable benchmark tools – that have no real-world relevance – and compare the results against dissimilar and un-tuned gear from their rivals.

It’s the biggest ego match in the industry, and it’s all pretty sad. Are people really naive enough to buy kit based on these benchmarks, instead of trying out different vendors’ solutions in-house using their own real world workloads?

Regardless, I find the latest press release from Sun touting their ‘HPC leadership’ a bit much.

In it, Sun cites SGI beating FLUENT benchmarks. Yet, the press release doesn’t mention numbers at all. The link to the actual FLUENT benchmarks shows no values at all for the X2250 cluster Sun used, and the main Sun benchmarks website makes no mention of these ‘HPC dominating’ benchmark figures either. Surely if you’re going to trumpet the results, then you should also be making the actual figures available?

bmseer (a blogger from Sun who I have a huge respect for, and who regularly picks apart the outrageous benchmark figures from IBM) should be hanging his head in shame right about now ;-)

Regardless, the Sun benchmark site is well worth a visit at http://www.sun.com/benchmarks/

Silicon Graphics could take a leaf out of Sun’s book here and be far more pro-active and upfront with their current systems’ performance figures.

Meanwhile I live in hope for the day when we have a benchmark that measures the enormity of a vendor’s lies in their press releases. Like the Top 500, I’m sure IBM would be way out in front.

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Could SGI be taken private?

Silicon Graphics News

An interesting article has popped up on The Register by Timothy Morgan, where he argues that the tech stock slide produced by the ongoing credit crisis has provided a perfect time for large, established – and exposed – technology companies to take themselves private.

The usual R&D heavy suspects are discussed – Sun, Cray – and Silicon Graphics.


Silicon Graphics, once a high-flying Unix workstation and supercomputer maker, should also think about going private. The company’s shares trade on the small cap portion of the NASDAQ exchange, and it has a market capitalization of $101m as we go to press. In the first six months of 2008, SGI posted sales of $172.9m but booked losses of $74.9m. The company had just under $40m in cash as the June quarter closed.

It could be possible, especially with continued strong government contracts and continued interest from large investors.

What do you think?

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Silicon Graphics Newsgroups

More SGI Info

The main SGI newsgroups are in the comp.sys.sgi hierarchy:

SGI related Newsgroups

Some SGI related groups that may be of interest:

Archives

Archives of comp.sys.sgi can be found here:

Archives of comp.sys.mips can also be found at these sites:

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Model Summaries Overview

Silicon Graphics FAQs

This table lists an overview of all the machines from SGI up to the O2. Please get in touch if there are any ommisions, errors, etc.

PM1 – based on a design licensed from Andy Bechtolsheim, Stanford (before SUN).

IP = “Inhouse Processor”

Proc Model Name CPU Speed Comment
PM1 IRIS 1000 68000/68010 8 Mhz Terminal, 10 slot chassis
PM1 IRIS 1200 68000/68010 8 Mhz Terminal, 10 slot chassis
PM1 IRIS 1400 68000/68010 8 Mhz Workstation, (disk & O/S)
IP1 IRIS 2000 68010 10 Mhz Terminal, 10 slot chassis
IP1 IRIS 2200 68010 10 Mhz Terminal, 20 slot chassis
IP1 IRIS 2400 68010 10 Mhz Workstation, (disk & O/S)
IP1 IRIS 2500 68010 10 Mhz Rack Workstation, (disk & O/S)
IP2 IRIS 3020 68020 16 Mhz 10 GEs, 8 bits, 4/16 MB RAM
IP2 IRIS 3030 68020 16 Mhz 10 GEs, 32 bits, 8/16 MB RAM
IP2 IRIS 3115 68020 16 Mhz 12 GEs, 8 bits, 4/8 MB RAM
IP2 IRIS 3120 68020 16 Mhz 12 GEs, 8 bits, 4/16 MB RAM, 72 MB disk
IP2 IRIS 3120B 68020 16 Mhz 12 GEs, 8 bits, 4/16 MB RAM, 170 MB disk
IP2 IRIS 3130 68020 16 Mhz 12 GEs, 32 bits, 8/16 MB RAM, FPU
R2300 4D/60 R2300 8 Mhz
IP4 4D/70 R2000 12.5 Mhz VME bus
IP4 4D/50 R2000 8 Mhz Marketing variant of 4D/70, VME bus
IP4.5 4D/80,85 (IP4) R2000 16.67 Mhz VME bus
IP5 4D/1×0 2x R2000 16.67 Mhz MP bus, 1-2 cpu boards
IP6 4D/20 R2000 12.5 Mhz Personal Iris
IP7 4D/2×0 2x R3000 25 Mhz MP bus, 1-4 cpu boards
IP9 4D/210 (IP7) R3000 25 Mhz put memory onto cpu board to reduce cost
IP10 4D/25 (IP6) R2000 20 Mhz
IP12 Indigo R3000 33 Mhz
IP14 4D/30 (IP12) R3000 30 Mhz redesign to fit the PI chassis
IP14 4D/35 (IP12) R3000 36 Mhz redesign to fit the PI chassis
IP13 4D/3×0 (IP7) 1,2x R3000 33 Mhz MP bus, 1-4 cpu boards
IP15 4D/4×0 (IP7) 2x R3000 40 Mhz MP bus, 1-4 cpu boards
IP17 Crimson R4000 100 Mhz
IP17 Crimson R4400 150 Mhz
IP19 Onyx L/XL 1,2,4x R4400 100,150,200,250 Mhz 1-6 cpu boards
IP19 Challenge L/XL 1,2,4x R4400 100,150,200,250 Mhz 1-9 cpu boards
IP20 Indigo R4000 100 Mhz
IP20 Indigo R4400 150 Mhz
IP21 Power Onyx 1,2x R8000 75,90 Mhz 1-6 cpu boards
IP21 Power Challenge 1,2x R8000 75,90 Mhz 1-9 cpu boards
IP22 Indigo2 R4600SC 133,175 Mhz
IP22 Indigo2 R4400 100,150,200,250 Mhz
IP24 Indy (IP22) R4000PC 100 Mhz
IP24 Indy (IP22) R4000SC 100 Mhz
IP24 Indy (IP22) R4600PC 100,133 Mhz
IP24 Indy (IP22) R4600SC 133 Mhz 512K Secondary Cache
IP24 Indy (IP22) R4400SC 150,175 Mhz 1MB Secondary Cache
IP25 Onyx, Challenge R10000 190 Mhz
IP26 Power Indigo2 R8000 75 Mhz
IP27 Origin 200/2000 R10000 180/195 Mhz
IP28 Indigo2 R10000 190 Mhz
IP30 Indy (IP22) R5000PC 150 Mhz
IP30 Indy (IP22) R5000SC 150,180 Mhz
IP32 O2 R5000 180 Mhz
IP32 O2 R10000 180 Mhz
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Silicon Graphics Model Summaries

Silicon Graphics FAQs

This section of the site contains an overview of various machines produced by SGI. There are also links to other sites that have more detailed information about each machine.

For a complete overview of the entire Silicon Graphics product line, up to early O2s, you want to look at the Model Overview page.

At the moment there are summaries/tech info for:

You should also look at Ian Mapleson’s SGI Tech pages for lots more information – especially for performance comparisons between different models.

Ian not only has an excellent Indy buyer’s guide, but also one for the Indigo2 – required reading if you’re looking at one of those machines. Word is some of Ian’s CFT is taken up with an Octane buyer’s guide too ….

SGI’s legacy product page for earlier MIPs machines can be found at http://www.sgi.com/products/legacy/mips.html

If you have any extra information about the machines listed here, would like to see a summary for particular SGI machine, or have spotted any errors, please get in touch.

You might also want to look at the Periodic Tables for an idea of how various machines fit to SGI’s product lineup.

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